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 Post subject: poor brakes
PostPosted:Sat May 14, 2016 11:32 pm 
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Small Block

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Car Details:Z28..1979
Hi Guys,

I have what i consider poor brakes, I dont know what they are supposed to be like, I fitted a new booster, master cylinder, rear shoes and rear cylinders, there is no air in the system and the bias valve isnt stuck and I have a good vacuum, they do stop, but need a really good hard push...thoughts anyone?


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 Post subject: Re: poor brakes
PostPosted:Sun May 15, 2016 7:21 am 
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Car Details:1986 Camaro, bought into Spain by me in 1993.
305 replaced by a 355, 750 Demon carb, RPM AirGap intake, Brodix heads, Hedman Hedders, 3" Flowmaster exhaust.
Wheels are Summit aluminium 5 spokes, tyres are 245 rear 225 front BF Goodrich.
B/M transmission, battery relocated to the rear, GoodMark 4" cowl steel hood.
Location:Spain East Coast
Did you bench bleed the
master cylinder before installing it?


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 Post subject: Re: poor brakes
PostPosted:Sun May 15, 2016 1:36 pm 
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Yes I did do the bench bleed, the pedal isn`t spongy, its just really hard in the last half of travel, I can lock the wheels if I push really hard, my other half would struggle to do it though, I think I will just strip everything back down and start again....


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 Post subject: Re: poor brakes
PostPosted:Mon May 16, 2016 6:47 pm 
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Car Details:79' camaro road & track day toy. 383 stroker, 5 speed TKO trans, lots of suspension stuff, 13" Vette brakes, 18" wheels.
Location:Luton
Silly question, but is it the right master cylinder ? as if it's too big a diameter for example it will work, but pressure will be less.

Other than that, all usual stuff, re-bleed, check for leaks etc..

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 Post subject: Re: poor brakes
PostPosted:Mon May 16, 2016 7:16 pm 
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Car Details:1980 2nd Gen, 6.0 iron block LS, 4.11 12 bolt axle, Brute Strength Posi, Lowered 2", sub frame connectors, G-braces, Carbon hood and front bumper cover
Location:Norfolk
Did you adjust the rear brakes properly? And you've hooked everything up correctly to the prop valve?

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Subframe connectors, g-braces, solid body bushes, carbon hood and front bumper, custom door cards, Autometer gauges.


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 Post subject: Re: poor brakes
PostPosted:Wed May 18, 2016 9:44 am 
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Small Block

Joined:Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:47 am
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Car Details:Z28..1979
Thanks for the imput guys, Its the correct master cylinder, one for one swap, I pulled the rear drums off to check the adjustment, I can just get the drums off with a little bit of wiggling...I deglazed the front pads as they where a little shiny, no differnt, im just thinking it must still have air in the sysytem, im going to use the old master cylinder cap and drill it to connect a pressure bleeder up and hope that solves it..

oh I also checked the vacuum from the carb,


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 Post subject: Re: poor brakes
PostPosted:Thu May 19, 2016 9:17 pm 
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Big Block
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Car Details:79' camaro road & track day toy. 383 stroker, 5 speed TKO trans, lots of suspension stuff, 13" Vette brakes, 18" wheels.
Location:Luton
Sounds likely, as just one trapped bubble can mess up the balance..

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 Post subject: Re: poor brakes
PostPosted:Fri May 20, 2016 8:38 pm 
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Big Block

Joined:Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:16 pm
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Car Details:1980 2nd Gen, 6.0 iron block LS, 4.11 12 bolt axle, Brute Strength Posi, Lowered 2", sub frame connectors, G-braces, Carbon hood and front bumper cover
Location:Norfolk
Took me ages to get all the air out of mine...

Let it gravity bleed - open up the bleed nipples one at a time and let fluid run through in it's own time. Takes ages, but you can do other things on the car while its going on.

Also make sure you have bled them in the correct order, otherwise you'll never get the air out...

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My '80 progress thread - hugger orange! Now with LQ9 power - forged pistons, LS2 rods, 236/242, .621/.612, flowed and milled 317 heads. MS3X

4L80e, 12 bolt, 4.11, Moroso brute strength posi, steel shafts.

Subframe connectors, g-braces, solid body bushes, carbon hood and front bumper, custom door cards, Autometer gauges.


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 Post subject: Re: poor brakes
PostPosted:Fri May 20, 2016 10:01 pm 
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Car Details:1986 Camaro, bought into Spain by me in 1993.
305 replaced by a 355, 750 Demon carb, RPM AirGap intake, Brodix heads, Hedman Hedders, 3" Flowmaster exhaust.
Wheels are Summit aluminium 5 spokes, tyres are 245 rear 225 front BF Goodrich.
B/M transmission, battery relocated to the rear, GoodMark 4" cowl steel hood.
Location:Spain East Coast
Yous doin´it all wrong..... :lol:



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 Post subject: Re: poor brakes
PostPosted:Sun May 22, 2016 9:47 am 
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Small Block

Joined:Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:47 am
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Car Details:Z28..1979
Update, have rebled and rebled, fluid is clear pedal is better, not as good as I would like, but getting there..pedel still needs a good push though..https://www.facebook.com/laurelfrear/vi ... 012979789/


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