The Camaro Club (UK)

Full info here:
https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/enviro ... ntcmp=2294

In summary, most vehicles currently on the road will have to pay £12.50 a day to go into the congestion charge zone, 24 hrs a day 7 days a week, from 2020 under these proposals. (this would be on top of existing congestion charge if applicable at that time by the way)
That certainly includes pretty much all of our cars, and certainly my Camaro and all of my others vehicles including 2005 BMW, 2008 Transit, and the kit car.

For me personally it would mean having to replace what could probably still be perfectly useable vehicles to satisfy some idiot's green notions, so I could work the half a dozen or so times a month in central London. Also, monthly tunnel runs, pleasure trips or even drives across town to see relatives or friends will now cost me. I can't afford it now, and I doubt that if in 6 years times I could afford to pay this charge every time, or replace vehicles..

Their own statistics show it's mostly buses and taxis, so surely make these emission free first and then reassess the situation a few years later, rather than penalise private individuals who make little difference. (petrol cars only 3%)

There's a consultation you can fill in which I have, and would urge others to do the same, stating you think it's a bad idea.
Apologies for jumping on the soapbox but I think they're trying to sneak this through...

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I think you have missed the point chap, it's not about emissions, it's about keeping all the the peasants out so the roads are free for the "ruling elite" to swan about

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1997 30th Anniversary SS SLP
1993 GMC Typhoon

Thanks for sharing this Stu.

It's disapointing but not surprising in a way. Slowly chipping away at our liberataions and income.

I don't beleive in emisssions taxes - what exactly are they doing with our cash to counter the emissions we create... hmm, nothing. But it's ok for the governments to play political games / wars where oil fields are set alight, causing tremendous damage to the environment, not to mention the damage caused by warheads etc. Ugh.

In other words, just another pointless (to the public) tax that serves to benefit those of the elite - having to change vehicles to new ones at a higher rate = higher car sales = more money for the banks who are creating those loans and adding interest = more money to the government in sales tax = less money for you in savings / day to day life = more loans for you to take to live day by = ciricle of debt and loss of freedom including ability to move freely (due to excessively high charge zones). It's all purely for the benefit of those in power, nothing will be done for the environment, roads won't be improved etc. Puts limits on movement of people (Stallin leadership skills 101).

I think it's disgraceful when you look at it from the perspective, so i'll be signing

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London is changing' they are removing the homeless, property prices are way above the average Londoners available income and snapped up by foreign investors even outside the city, it's fast becoming nothing more than a playground for the rich and shameless

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The questions are;
How do these "taxes" lower emissions ?
Where is this "tax" money spent ?

Exactly, they don't ...... I never understood the logic of green taxes....

The only time they got it vaguely right was the lower charge for lower emission cars for road tax, but even then if your emissions on your 3 cyl 1 litre Polo are half of that of a 2 litre Mondeo, doing twice the miles equals same emissions, so it should always be fuel based, then its totally fair as related to mpg, and mileage...

I drive into central London a fair bit, wether working socially or for a drive, at many different times, weekdays, evening and weekends, and from my experience most congestion is caused by roadworks, empty bus lanes, bad traffic light phasing, inconsiderate taxis/cabs/delivery vehicles, those stupid pedal rickshaws.... (and of cause $hit drivers....)

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There is no logic to green taxes, in fact the whole thing is a massive scam to frighten the 'sheeple' into accepting ever greater taxes and gov. interference .
I also loath the sight of inner London so the it will never touch me or my cars in any way .
The only good things in London are roads leading away from it ...

sounds like man in need of a tunnel run

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1997 30th Anniversary SS SLP
1993 GMC Typhoon

At 7am on a Sunday morning, the city roads are quite fun.. !!!

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Right, quick update... Got an email from TFL as a 'contributor' to the consultation.

It looks like the low emission zone it's going ahead anyway in 2020... big suprise .. Here's a few excerpts from the email..

"...After considering the feedback from the consultation, the Mayor confirmed the ULEZ will operate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week in the same area as the current Congestion Charging zone (CCZ) from 7 September 2020. All cars, motorcycles, vans, minibuses and heavy vehicles will need to meet emission standards (ULEZ standards) or pay an additional daily charge to travel within the zone. In addition, I can confirm that we are committed to ensuring all double deck buses operating in central London will be hybrid and all single deck will be zero emission (eg. electric) by this time. .... "

".....In response to the consultation, we have included some changes to the original proposals. Vehicles which are registered as ‘disabled’ or ‘disabled passenger vehicle’ tax class (‘disabled exemption’) will be granted a three year sunset period with a 100% discount, up until 6 September 2023[1]. In addition, for the purposes of the ULEZ standards, we have aligned our definition of an historic vehicle with the Government’s so that all vehicles with a ‘historic’ vehicle tax class will be exempt. ..."

So not as bad for older cars - most 3rd and 4th gen Camaros for example still won't be exempt for many years to come though. There's some other cra@p about air quality, buses, and changes to taxis blah blah.. but that's pretty much it... So from 2020 things will change.. Doubtful Boris will be mayor then so maybe that help.. or be worse !

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