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 Post subject: Re: Unusual steering...?
PostPosted:Sun Nov 02, 2014 5:48 pm 
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Big Block

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Car Details:Couple of '70 Mustangs
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If you've got more aggressive geometry,such as lots of positive camber etc.. (like me) it'll react badly to rutted roads and truck grooves on motorways.. but it'll turn in nicely :lol:
Funny, mine has very aggressive settings (for racing) but driving to and from races plus locally on the road, I find it is very well behaved. Maybe the sensible sized wheels and tyres (racing rules...) help. I find lots of negative camber helps the cornering and turn in is helped by a touch of toe-out. HTH
Cheers, Martin

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 Post subject: Re: Unusual steering...?
PostPosted:Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:12 am 
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Car Details:1981 Camaro Z28
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Chances are, as Sportsroof says, it's just worn steering and suspension components.

The amount of times I've seen cars at shows and meets, where the outside is all shiny and nice, but look underneath and they're still running the worn out 30 - 40 year old bushings.
I'd check the bushes worn ball joints, worn steering track ends, plus on 2nd gens the steering idler arm and pitman arm do wear fairly quickly in my experience.
It's possible the steering box has some play but not as excessive as you describe, only other moving part is the rag joint in the steering column that connects the box to the steering shaft (hidden in a plastic shroud), but it's usually not that bad, and would give that much play.

You can buy these steering/suspension bits as a front end service kit from some suppliers too.
Cheers for the info there and identifying the potential areas. Greatly appreciated :)


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual steering...?
PostPosted:Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:24 am 
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Car Details:1981 Camaro Z28
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Just to clarify then: Assuming all joints/bushes are good, there can still be a problem, here's how.
Steering box has a 'tight spot' in the middle of it's sweep, which should correspond with the steering wheel central AND front wheels pointing dead ahead. All happy then, yes?
Unfortunately parts replacement can mean the wheel ends up off centre so someone alters this to make it look right. Now you are driving straight but are away from the tight spot so there is play, and when you try to make a small correction, there may be slight resistance (the tight spot) which you have to then fight with as it's usually right where you don't want it to be so you end up sawing at the wheel try to go straight! Maybe a bit exaggerated to illustrate the problem but you get the idea. Plus the steering boxes can usually be adjusted up to eliminate play.
FWIW, mine has an original 44 year old box and with it all set up nicely, it steers fine with one finger and thumb at 130+.
Cheers, Martin
Some of those symptoms are present, I am at times "sawing" at the wheel to maintain the car in a straight line. When cornering at regular speeds, I find the steering input can be way too much. for the angle of the corner also. It's like a large dead spot...and then steering reacts and it's too much of an input.

You mention that steering boxes can be adjusted, how do you go about adjusting things in this area?


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual steering...?
PostPosted:Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:28 am 
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Car Details:1981 Camaro Z28
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Maybe all that's needed is to adjust the Worm Bearing Preload and Sector Lash.

http://dev.lv2014.integr8cms.net/index. ... ector-lash
...ah, I'm guessing this the area where adjustments can be made to the steering box? Thanks for the link by the way :)


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual steering...?
PostPosted:Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:29 am 
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Car Details:1981 Camaro Z28
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My 4th gen SS is the worst car I have driven as far as following the camber or lorry tracks is concerned, fat tyres and stiff suspension are the cause and it actually mentions that this is to be expected in the cars handbook
She doesn't seem to tram line too much, just a little here and there.


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual steering...?
PostPosted:Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:32 am 
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Car Details:1981 Camaro Z28
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Maybe your steering box is not adjusted like the instructions I posted above.
A Chiltern manual for your car will show you how.
If your box is the same as a third gen I could scan the pages.
That's very kind of you, appreciated :) I don't know if the box is the same or not as a 3rd generation, I don't suppose you've any idea of how I might find out??


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual steering...?
PostPosted:Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:01 am 
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Car Details:79' camaro road & track day toy. 383 stroker, 5 speed TKO trans, lots of suspension stuff, 13" Vette brakes, 18" wheels.
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Maybe your steering box is not adjusted like the instructions I posted above.
A Chiltern manual for your car will show you how.
If your box is the same as a third gen I could scan the pages.
That's very kind of you, appreciated :) I don't know if the box is the same or not as a 3rd generation, I don't suppose you've any idea of how I might find out??
2nd and 3rd gen boxes are pretty much the same, in fact a good second gen upgrade is a later IROC Camaro, or Firebird GTA box as they're quicker ratio, but pre 78' cars have different size power steering hoses, post 78' 'should' fit straight on...

From what you're describing, I'd check every other steering/suspension component first personally.

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 Post subject: Re: Unusual steering...?
PostPosted:Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:52 am 
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Maybe your steering box is not adjusted like the instructions I posted above.
A Chiltern manual for your car will show you how.
If your box is the same as a third gen I could scan the pages.
That's very kind of you, appreciated :) I don't know if the box is the same or not as a 3rd generation, I don't suppose you've any idea of how I might find out??
2nd and 3rd gen boxes are pretty much the same, in fact a good second gen upgrade is a later IROC Camaro, or Firebird GTA box as they're quicker ratio, but pre 78' cars have different size power steering hoses, post 78' 'should' fit straight on...

From what you're describing, I'd check every other steering/suspension component first personally.
Just been up to the local garage. Had the car checked over underneath, pleasingly no apparent nasty suprises. According to the manager who checked the car over "yeah, the body is sound, floor looks good as does the chassis".

Relayed my concerns about the steering, and as such the manager tightend up the a nut on the steering box. Didn't seem to be any play in the ball joints, although I'm not completely convinced 100%. The result of tightening that nut is that the steering is now slightly tighter. But still there's the wayward and vague feeling, it just doesn't give me confidence to exploit the cars power even in a straight line. From dead centre there's about 15-20 degrees worth of travle before the car reacts to the input.

So, a steering box from a later car could well cure this sloppyness? I found out the car is a 1981 model according to the VIN and trim plate. What year is the is the part I should be looking for with regards to Iroc Z or GTA box?

Thanks :)


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual steering...?
PostPosted:Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:57 am 
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Car Details:80 T/A with a BBC
79 Z28
68 Firebird F 400
67 Firebird Convertible
Location:Penzance, Cornwall
As every one has said about the bushing,,,,, but a quarter of a turn is a lot so also check your rag joint and when you are sure your bushings and joints are good try to put as much castor in as you can.

Also if it still follows the contours in the road try changing tyre types as some are really bad for making your car follow every scratch in the road.


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual steering...?
PostPosted:Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:18 am 
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Car Details:'79 Camaro, 350 V8
Location:South Bucks
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What year is the is the part I should be looking for with regards to Iroc Z or GTA box
From what i understand, any 3rd gen box, so 82 -92. Give Rocky (American Tecnhique) on here a shout as he breaks and fixes 3rd gens, so may have one in stock. Based in Watford so not too far from you i assume. Last i saw he had a full GTA in for breaking.

Cheers!

Ray

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