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 Post subject: Engine Oil
PostPosted:Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:53 am 
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After doing much research, and still having loads to do, i thought i'd share some oils that i've found that would suit stock motors. Please feel free to add expertise!! (The below is aimed for normal driving conditions on a pretty much stock engine. Racing would require different specs, feel free to add if you know about this side of things).

In my 3rd gen 305 tpi i was running 5w30 Mobil Super 3000 X1 FE (oil cap and manual show 5w30). Turns out this only contained 500ppm of zinc and 500ppm of phosphor. Apparently it's roller cam so shouldn't be too bad (read that flat tappets require 1200ppm and higher), but the viscosity of this oil is about 9.5 @100c and ~50 @40c. Upgrade to Mobil 1 and it's 900ppm zinc and 800ppm phosphor and the viscosity is 12.x @ 100c and ~75@ 40c. So even though they're both 5w30, the Super 3000 is thinner (and has a lower mineral content).

I also read that CAT's tend to start having clogging issues at around 1200ppm zinc / phosphor which is why modern oils have amounts as low as nearly 1/3rd of that. I'm switching over to Mobil1 and seeing what difference it makes to oil pressure, as it does drop a little under half way once warm and at idle.

I also noticed the lower priced oils of the big name oils (i.e. super 3000 that i was running) aren't rated for GM dexos 2 (just learned this from some data sheets). So in other words, make sure it either says it's suitable for Vauxhal / Opel / GM (i say this as over here they tend to use only Vauxhall and leave off GM) as that means it then meets the GM dexos 2 requirement as shown in the manual.

Here's a handy chart from Mobil 1 that shows their various oils and related characteristics:
https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pv ... -guide.pdf

GM dexos approved oils that i've found:

Castrol Magnatec C3 (it must say "C3" - C2 and A/B don't meet the standard)
http://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/Fusio ... 9FWEZX.pdf
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Engine-Oil-Ca ... Sw~OdVVeI5
The above is the oil Castrol recommends for 4th Gen Camaro / Firebird.

Mobil 1:

Mobil Super™ 3000 Formula G 5W-30 (have only found this in 1 litre bottles so far but it's the only GM approved oil i've found from Mobil that's sold in the UK).
http://www.mobil.co.uk/UK-English-LCW/c ... -5w30.aspx#
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1ltr-Mobil-Su ... SwofxUgIIm

Mobil 1 5w30, Mobil 1 5w30 Extended Performance (Not found any of these 2 in the UK, we only have ESP - ESP is not GM approved but EP version is GM approved). It does contain 900ppm zinc and 800ppm phosphorous, i've ordered this for the 3rd gen so it'll be going in soon.

Whilst not GM Dexos approved it does meet C3 standard. http://www.mobil.co.uk/UK-English-LCW/c ... -5w30.aspx
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181094372470

List of Dexos 2 oils (according to write up, this meets older specs too i.e dexos 1) :

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-1253-dexos2-.aspx

Link to all Mobil products in the UK (just click through the tabs on the left and click on 'tech details' for viscosity and zinc & phosphorous content) :
http://www.mobil.co.uk/UK-English-LCW/c ... -5w30.aspx

For the 2nd gen, i'm thinking about running Mobil Super 2000 X1 10w40 but i haven't looked too much into this yet. This is a part synthetic that contains 1,440 ppm zinc and phosphor so pretty close to the 1,200 recommended for flat tappet.
http://www.mobil.co.uk/UK-English-LCW/c ... 10w40.aspx#

I've noticed that oils that say "petrol & diesel" have higher contents of zinc and phosphor, so that may be worth noting when looking.

Hoping we can have a nice collection of oil info on here. I've read so many forums where the facts are based on opinion i.e. "brand x sucks this is way better" and you're left wondering... but why? Especially as we have a different selection of oils here, it helps to know what ingredients should be looked out for.

Cheers!

Ray

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Oil
PostPosted:Tue May 17, 2016 10:41 pm 
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I've just been on a thread about engine oils where many opinions were given and I was told at one point i was wrong about a fact i provided (literally stated the GM manual), but when asked why i was wrong, was not given any reason why. There were a lot of recommendations for a fellow board member on here to use a specific racing oil, without any reason and without knowing how his car was being used. It drove me to continue my research into oil facts and thought i would share this handy article i came across:

( i found this later, still good info: http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/archive/i ... 15497.html and http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=28365)

This is the main one i referred to:

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c3- ... -oils.html

(incase it gets removed, here's the text: )


Copyright (c) 2009-2015 Bill Lattimer. All rights reserved.

Many thanks to everyone that posted oil information across the Forum and on this thread!

Summary: If you use a flat-tappet cam run an oil from this list or another oil you're sure has at least 1000 ppm ZDDP. No additives (other than for break-in), no diesel oils, no racing oils and no miracle cures - just the right oil. For break-in run any oil from the list plus a break-in additive or use one of the specialized break-in oils.

If all you want is a good oil choice, you can skip the rest of the background here and just scroll down to the list of oils. More technical background is at the bottom of this post for those that are interested.

Quote:
Great Vette Magazine March 2014 article on oil for flat-tappet cams!

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...ch-2014-a.html
Quote:
Regarding diesel oils: Diesel oils do not appear on this list as I'm not confident they meet the requirements for flat-tappet cams. Readers can make their own decisions by reviewing these posts as well as other threads:

For: http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1579422796-post494.html

Against: http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1579427200-post497.html
Quote:
Regarding "wear testing" by 540 RAT: Forum member 540 RAT has done extensive self-testing of oils with his own equipment and methodology. Although positioned as "wear testing", it measures only a single aspect - film strength - and discounts the need for ZDDP for flat-tappet cams. This is counter to guidance from all cam and oil manufacturers. Read and review for yourself:

540 RAT Testing: http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...post1582022844
Oil List
(Synthetic) AMSOIL Synthetic Premium Protection Motor Oils
Links provided by Corvette Forum vendor C66 RacingLLC (PM 'Subdriver')

Grades: 10w40(AMO) , 20w50(ARO)

Claim: "ideal for high-mileage vehicles, vehicles with flat-tappet cams and high-stress vehicles subject to hot temperatures, heavy hauling, trailer pulling or off-road use."

Verification: ~1265 PPM: http://www.amsoil.com/techservicesbu...t%20Tappet.pdf

(Synthetic) AMSOIL Z-ROD Synthetic Motor Oil
Links provided by Corvette Forum Vendor C66 RacingLLC (PM 'Subdriver')

Grades: 10w30(ZRT) , 20w50(ZRF)

Claim: "AMSOIL Z-ROD Synthetic Motor Oil is formulated with high levels of ZDDP to protect flat-tappet cams, lifters, rockers and other areas susceptible to wear. Its high-zinc, high-phosphorus formulation provides the extra wear protection these critical splash-lubricated components require."

Verification: ~ 1320 PPM: http://www.amsoil.com/techservicesbu...t%20Tappet.pdf

(Semi-Synthetic) Brad Penn

Grades: 0W-30, 10W-30, 10W-40 , 15W-40, 20W-50

Claim: In addition to our unique base oil cut, increased concentration of “zinc” (zinc dialkyldithiophosphate a.k.a. ZDDP) provides outstanding anti-wear/anti-scuffing protection for engines employing either‘flat tappet’ or roller cams. BRAD PENN® Penn Grade 1® High Performance Oilshave been evaluated by a number of premiere camshaft manufacturers with tremendous success. Many are now recommending our Penn Grade 1® High Performance Oils to provide outstanding protection for their ‘flat tappet’ or roller cams.

Verification: http://www.penngrade1.com/Zinc.aspx

(Synthetic) Castrol EDGE 5W-50

Grades: 5W50

Claim: "Today's engines are engineering differently andface different demands than those of yester year. Now classic car owners who are particular about what they put into their vintage vehicles can receive modern protection from a higher zinc formula specially engineered for classic engines."

Verification: Claims compatability with API SJ & SL.

(Dino) Collector's Choice Motor Oil

Grades: 20W50

Claim: "Today's engines are engineering differently and face different demands than those of yesteryear. Now classic car owners who are particular about what they put into their vintage vehicles can receive modern protection from a higher zinc formula specially engineered for classic engines."

Verification: 2000 PPM claimed, which is significantly more than required for even extreme cams. http://www.mossmotors.com/graphics/p...0-815_INST.pdf

(Synthetic) CompCams Muscle Car & Street Rod Oil
Grades: 10W30, 15W50

Claim: "optimum amounts of ZDDP (Zinc and Phosphorous) provide unmatched anti-wear properties. available in both 10W30 and 15W50 formulas and is perfect for late model or classic engines with flat tappet valvetrains."

Verification: NONE CompCams Tech Line refused to provide any details on ZDDP levels and the MSDS provides no details. The tech would go so far as to say it has "more than" 1,400 PPM ZDDP.

(Synthetc & Dino) Driven Racing Oil (formerly Joe Gibbs Hot Rod Oil)

Grades: 10W30, 15W50 in both dino and synthetic.

Claim:"Higher levels of Zinc (ZDDP) than regular passenger car oils. Delivers proper anti-wear protection for older style push-rod and flat-tappet engines."

Verification: ~1270 PPM ZDDP Driven Racing Oil Data Sheet

(Dino) Lucas Hot Rod and Classic Hi-Performance Oil

Grades: 10W30, 10W40, 20W50

Claim: "Lucas Hot Rod & Classic Car Motor Oil is manufactured with the highest quality paraffinic base oils and is fortified with a unique additive package containing high levels of zinc, molybdenum and phosphorus, which provides a tougher, thicker additive film for maximum protection even under the most severe conditions. It lowers oil temperatures, extends oil life and minimizes metal fatigue. It improves the film strength between the cylinder wall and piston rings and slows oil burning and improves pressure in worn engines. It has good cold temperature properties and stands up to high operating temperatures. It is compatible with methanol and all racing fuels, as well as with synthetic and non-synthetic oils.

Lucas Hot Rod & Classic Car Motor Oil SAE 10W-40 is for muscle, showroom, classic and trophy cars without catalytic converters. It can be used in racing applications. Not recommended for passenger car use."

Verification: ~2100 PPM ZDDP claimed. This is higher than what is typically recommended (1,000 - 1,400).

(Synthetic) Mobile 1 15W-50

Grades: 15W50

Claim: "Mobil 1 15W-50 is also recommended for older valvetrain designs that may benefit from a higher level of anti-wear normally not required for newer generation vehicles."

Verification: http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...duct_guide.pdf

Mobile 1 claims SN approval for this oil, although the grade (15W50) is not included in that specification. Regardless, it contains the right amount of ZDDP for flat-tappet cams.

(Synthetic) Red LineSynthetic Motor Oil

I made the decision to remove Red Line oils from the list as they make no claims regarding flat-tappet cam support on their website and I'm awaiting confirmation from them via email regarding their ZDDP levels.

(Synthetic) RoyalPurple RP

Grades: 10W40, 15W40, 20W50

Claim: "For stock or mildly modified flat tappet valve trains( less than .525” lift), we recommend our SAE 10W40, 15W40 or 20W50 engine oils."

Verification: NONE

(Synthetic) RoyalPurple HPS High Performance Street Motor Oil

Grades: 5W-20, 5W-30, 10W-30, 10W-40 and 20W-50.

Claim: It is fortified with a high level of zinc/phosphorus anti-wear additive... Protects valve trains using roller or flat tappet lifters requiring added protection due to high lift/ high ramp rate camshafts

Verification: NONE

(Synthetic) RoyalPurple XPR

Grades:0W10, 5W20, 5W30, 10W40, 20W50

Claim: "In applications with flat tappet valve trains using high-lift cams and/or high RPM applications, we strongly recommend upgrading to our XPR line of engine oils as these have an even greater concentration of ZDDP providing excellent protection with the higher spring pressures."

Verification:NONE

(Synthetic) Schaeffer Supreme 7000 20W-50 Racing Oil
C66 RacingLLC (PM 'Subdriver')

Grades: 10w40(AMO) , 20w50(ARO)

Claim: "ideal for high-mileage vehicles, vehicles with flat-tappet cams and high-stress vehicles subject to hot temperatures, heavy hauling, trailer pulling or off-road use."

Verification: ~1265 PPM: http://www.amsoil.com/techservicesbu...t%20Tappet.pdf








(Dino) Valvoline VR1

Grades: 20W50, 10W30

Claim: "High zinc/phosphorus provides extreme wear protection, including flat tappet applications."

Verification: 1300 - 1400 PPM ZDDP http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/VR-1_Racing_Motor_Oil.pdf

NOTE that there are some concerns with VR1 due to inconsistenttest results. Additionally, racing oils are not intended for extended (3,000+mile) change intervals nor start-and-stop cycles.

(Dino) Valvoline Specialty Racing Oil ("Not Street Legal")

Grades: 20W50

Claim: "High zinc/phosphorus provides extreme wear protection, including flat tappet applications."

Verification: 1300 - 1400 PPM ZDDP

http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/Special...acing_Oils.pdf Additionally,racing oils are not intended for extended (3,000+ mile) change intervals.

(Synthetic) Valvoline Roush Full Synthetic

Grades: 5W30, 5W50, 10W30, 10W40

Claim: "Provide longer lasting zinc/phosphorusanti-wear."

Verification: NONE

(Synthetic) Valvoline Racing Synthetic

Grades: 20W50, 10W30

Claim: "High zinc/phosphorus for extreme anti-wear,including flat tappets."

Verification: NONE. Additionally, racing oils are not intended for extended (3,000+ mile) change intervals.

Engine Break-In Oils/Additives
Brad Penn Break-in Oil

"The Brad Penn Penn Grade 1 Break-In oil is designed specifically with a lower level of ZDDP and other select additive components as a Break-In oil. Since break in is a wearing process high levels of an anti-wear additive may be counterproductive. The type of ZDDP used in this oil is also more suitable for break in applications." Taken from the Brad Penn website; the concept of less ZDDP for initial break-in is counter to offerings by other vendors and cam vendor guidance. Evaluate for yourself.

AMSOIL Break-in Oil

CompCams Break-in Oil

Joe Gibbs Break-in Oil

Lucas High Zinc Engine Break-In Oil

Royal Purple Break-In Oil

GM Engine Oil Suppliment (EOS) (additive)

Technical Background
ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl-Dithio-Phosphate, "zinc" or"zink") is an anti-wear oil additive that contains roughly equal amounts of zinc (Zn) and phosphorus (P) and is particuarly critical for correct lubrication of flat-tappet camshafts. The amount of ZDDP has decreased over time with the broad adoption of roller-tappet cams and the negative impact ZDDP has on catalytic converters.

Standards for engine oil are set by the American Petroleum Institute (API) and the International Lubricants Standards Approval Committee (ILSAC). Prior to 1988 API SF specified a minimum of 1500 PPM P. In 1993 API SG reduced reduced the minimum to 1200 PPM, and it was reduced again to 1000 PPM with the SL specification. A broad wave of flat-tappet camshaft failures started in 2004 following introduction ofAPI SM and ILSAC GF-4 oil specifications which set a maximum of 800 PPM and a minimum of 600 PPM P for grades SAE 0W-20, SAE 5W-20, SAE 0W-30, SAE 5W-30 and SAE 10W-30. Initially blamed on poor cam quality control, it was quickly determined that it was in fact the reduction of ZDDP combined with more agressive cam profiles and associated higher spring loadsthat were the root cause. Testing that showed the new oils would still have acceptable ZDDP for flat-tappet cams was done with very mild cam profiles and very low spring pressures. This is not what is found in even a mild performance engine, but may work - or at least appear to work- in older stock-type engines that don't see hard driving, have mild cams and tired valve springs or just see very few road miles - hence the perspective for some that ZDDP levels are not a genuine issue. Each needs toassess the risks and costs and determine their best choice. Note that as an additive ZDDP loses potency over time, losing approximately 1/2 of it's effectivness at approximately 6,000 miles. The latest API SN and ILSACGF-5 specifications do not change the maximum/minimum ppm ZDDP.

API/ILSAC Oil Specifications

From these events, specifications and timeline I propose that:

Flat-tappet cam failures started with the reduction of ZDDP < 1000 PPM.

Based on this, 1000 PPM ZDDP is the minimum required level.

Levels of 1200-1400 ppm ZDDP may be required for more extreme cams. What level defines too much ZDDP is unclear, but for street use more than around 1400 PPM is likely not appropriate.

Oil change intervals should be no more than ~3,000 miles with dino oil, ~6,000 with synthetic.

Any oil marked API SM/SN, ILSAC GF-4/5 or ILSAC CJ-5 in grades SAE 0W-20, SAE 5W-20, SAE 0W-30, SAE 5W-30 and SAE 10W-30 cannot have sufficient ZDDP.

The oils listed above claim to contain >=1000 PPM ZDDP and/or claim to be specifically formulated for flat-tappet cams. Note that the list is specific for product and grades - often a different product or grade by the same manufacturer won't have the same level of ZDDP.Where there is verification, it's linked. I am not making recommendations and I have no axe to grind - if there need to be changes, post the information for review.


Specifically not included in the list are:

Racing oils that are only available in single-weight. Additionally, generally racing oils aren't a good selection for the street, as they're not designed for extended change intervals or street start-and-stop cycles.

"ZDDP" additives (other than those specifically for engine break-in) as these are not recommended by any oil manufacturer.

Oils not readily retail-available.

Diesel oils, as noted at the top of the sticky.

Regarding switching from mineral to synthetic
There's a lot of feedback that making this switch causes engines to develop leaks. This can be the case, but it's important to understand why. Synthetic oil is more solvent than mineral oil, meaning that it can clean and remove deposits left by mineral oils - and expose worn or damaged oil seals. If your engine currently uses more than about 1 quart every 1,000 miles or is already "leaky", you may experience leaks (or worse leaks) by switching. Note that this solvency is a good thing; this is exactly what keeps an engine far cleaner when running synthetic.

Oil Analysis Companies
BlackstoneLabs

Oil Analysis Labs, Inc.

Note that it is CRITICAL that the oil be well-agitated before pouring a sample! Also note that the accuracty of "Virgin Oil Analysis" has been called into question based on a number of inconsistent results; see this link and associated links to evaluate for yourself. Brad Penn also notes disparity in these results.

Other References

Bob Is The Oil Guy forums - discussion of oil and test results

Copyright (c) 2009 - 2015 Bill Lattimer. All rights reserved.
Last edited by billla; 09-28-2015 at 10:14 AM.

Read more: http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c3- ... z48x4TgAL3

This site has an excellent breakdown:
http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=28365

All samples were taken from brand new, thoroughly shaken bottles of oil. And all tests were performed at ALS Tribology, formerly Staveley Labs, in Sparks, Nevada. The oil samples are put into a Spectrometer which generates the results. This prevents the possibility of a technician introducing human error.

Brief overview/comparison of High Performance and Racing Oil:

Lucas 10W30 Racing Only
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 2943 ppm
Total anti-wear = 7895 ppm***

Redline 30 wt Race Oil
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 2059 ppm
Total anti-wear = 5494 ppm**

Joe Gibbs 10W30 XP3 Racing Oil
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 620 ppm
Total anti-wear = 2670 ppm

Joe Gibbs 10W30 HR-4 Hot Rod Oil
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 3134 ppm
Total anti-wear = 2408 ppm

Royal Purple 5W30 XPR (Extreme Performance Racing)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 3050 ppm
Total anti-wear = 2963 ppm, plus their proprietary “Synerlec” extreme pressure additive that does not show up in basic lab tests
Note: This particular RP XPR oil info has been posted previously, but it is included here for comparison purposes.

Royal Purple 10W30 HPS (High Performance Street)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 3676 ppm
Total anti-wear = 3310 ppm, plus their proprietary “Synerlec” extreme pressure additive that does not show up in basic lab tests
Note: This particular RP HPS oil info has been posted previously, but it is included here for comparison purposes.

Valvoline NSL (Not Street Legal) 10W30 conventional Racing Oil
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 1618 ppm
Total anti-wear = 3971 ppm

Valvoline VR1 10W30 Racing Oil (Silver Bottle)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 2787 ppm
Total anti-wear = 3019 ppm

Valvoline VR1 10W30 "SYNTHETIC" Racing Oil API SL (Black Bottle)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 2683 ppm
Total anti-wear = 2454 ppm

Brad Penn 10W30 Penn-Grade 1 High Performance Oil
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 3173 ppm
Total anti-wear = 3211 ppm

Brad Penn 0W30 Penn-Grade 1 High Performance Oil
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 2939 ppm
Total anti-wear = 3058 ppm


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Brief overview/comparison of Mainstream Oil:

Mobil 1 5W30 API SN
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 1489 ppm
Total anti-wear = 1755 ppm

Mobil 1 5W30 Extended Performance - 15,000 miles API SN
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 1697 ppm
Total anti-wear = 1813 ppm

Quaker State 5W30 Ultimate Durability API SN
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 2845 ppm
Total anti-wear = 1870 ppm

Valvoline 5W30 SYNPower API SN
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 2628 ppm
Total anti-wear = 1730 ppm

Castrol 5W30 Edge w/ Titanium API SN
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 1810 ppm
Total anti-wear = 1835 ppm

Pennzoil 5W30 Ultra API SM
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 3387 ppm
Total anti-wear = 1684 ppm

Royal Purple 5W30 API SN
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 2834 ppm
Total anti-wear = 1759 ppm, plus their proprietary Synerlec extreme pressure additive that does not show up in basic lab tests

Royal Purple 5W20 API SN
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 2875 ppm
Total anti-wear = 1856 ppm, plus their proprietary Synerlec extreme pressure additive that does not show up in basic lab tests

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Detailed info of High Performance and Racing Oil:

Lucas 10W30 Racing Only (lab tested 2011)
Silicon = 18 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number)
Boron = <5 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Magnesium = 1 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Calcium = 2929 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Barium = 9 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 2943 ppm
Zinc = 2642 ppm (anti-wear)
Phos = 3489 ppm (anti-wear)
Moly = 1764 ppm (anti-wear)
Total anti-wear = 7895 ppm***
Potassium = <5 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Sodium = 9 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Tin = 23 ppm (from bearings, bronze parts and piston coatings, but this is brand new oil……..)
TBN = 9.0 (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates)
Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 11.5 (cSt range for SAE 30 is 9.3 to 12.4) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness.

***NOTE: The zinc and phosphorus anti-wear levels of all oil in this list, are elemental values, which are NOT the same as ZDDP values. Earlier oil industry testing found that above .14% or 1,400 ppm, ZDDP INCREASED long term wear, even though break-in wear was reduced. And it was also found that .20% or 2,000 ppm ZDDP started attacking the grain boundaries in the iron, resulting in camshaft spalling.

But the correlation between elemental values and ZDDP values varies by motor oil manufacturer, and they do NOT publish their ZDDP values. That makes it difficult to impossible for the consumer to know how elemental and ZDDP values actually compare for any particular oil. However, these elemental values are so extremely high here, that this oil really is only suited for short life dedicated racing engines, as the name implies. Using zinc/phos levels this high in other engines could be cause for concern, since excessively high levels, used for more than just break-in, can “cause” engine damage rather than “prevent” it.

This by Brad Penn:
There is such a thing as too much ZDDP.
ZDDP is surface aggressive, and too much can be a detriment.
ZDDP fights for the surface, blocking other additive performance.
Acids generated due to excessive ZDDP contact will “tie-up” detergents thus encouraging corrosive wear.
ZDDP effectiveness plateaus, more does NOT translate into more protection. Only so much is utilized.
We don’t need to saturate our oil with ZDDP.


Redline 30wt Race Oil (lab tested 2011)
Silicon = 23 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number)
Boron = 70 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Magnesium = 4 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Calcium = 1982 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Barium = 3 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 2059 ppm
Zinc = 2207 ppm (anti-wear)
Phos = 2052 ppm (anti-wear)
Moly = 1235 ppm (anti-wear)
Total anti-wear = 5494 ppm**
Potassium = <5 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Sodium = 20 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Tin = 18 ppm (from bearings, bronze parts and piston coatings, but this is brand new oil…….)
TBN = 5.0* (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates)
Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 9.9 (cSt range for SAE 30 is 9.3 to 12.4) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness.

**NOTE: The zinc and phosphorus anti-wear levels of all oil in this list, are elemental values, which are NOT the same as ZDDP values. Earlier oil industry testing found that above .14% or 1,400 ppm, ZDDP INCREASED long term wear, even though break-in wear was reduced. And it was also found that .20% or 2,000 ppm ZDDP started attacking the grain boundaries in the iron, resulting in camshaft spalling.

But the correlation between elemental values and ZDDP values varies by motor oil manufacturer, and they do NOT publish their ZDDP values. That makes it difficult to impossible for the consumer to know how elemental and ZDDP values actually compare for any particular oil. However, these elemental values are high enough here, that this oil really is only suited for short life dedicated racing engines, as the name implies. Using zinc/phos levels this high in other engines could be cause for concern, since excessively high levels, used for more than just break-in, can “cause” engine damage rather than “prevent” it.

This by Brad Penn:
There is such a thing as too much ZDDP.
ZDDP is surface aggressive, and too much can be a detriment.
ZDDP fights for the surface, blocking other additive performance.
Acids generated due to excessive ZDDP contact will “tie-up” detergents thus encouraging corrosive wear.
ZDDP effectiveness plateaus, more does NOT translate into more protection. Only so much is utilized.
We don’t need to saturate our oil with ZDDP.
*NOTE: The low TBN value in this Redline oil is also consistent with short term use only.

Joe Gibbs 10W30 XP3 Racing Oil (lab tested 2011)
NOTE: Some of the numbers here were so unusual and unexpected, that I had the lab re-test the oil sample on another day, after other oil tests showed normal results, just to ensure that the original test was valid. And the re –test came back with the exact same numbers. So, the numbers here, are what they are. But we know this line of oil works incredibly well. Because it was developed for, and is used by, winning Sprint Cup NASCAR teams.
Silicon = 4 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number)
Boron = 259 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Magnesium = 1 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Calcium = 356 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Barium = 4 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 620 ppm
Zinc = 743 ppm (anti-wear)
Phos = 802 ppm (anti-wear)
Moly = 1125 ppm (anti-wear)
Total anti-wear = 2670 ppm
Potassium = 5 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Sodium = 5 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
TBN = 1.8 (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates)
Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 12.2 (cSt range for SAE 30 is 9.3 to 12.4) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness.

The detergent and TBN levels are so very low here, that this oil should most likely be changed after every outing, before those components are totally exhausted.

This oil line is one of the leading oils used in NASCAR Sprint Cup endurance engines, yet it has very low levels of zinc/phos, about the same as modern API SN oils. So, this is one example of a textbook case showing that you cannot really depend on elemental zinc/phos numbers alone, to predict how well an oil can protect against wear in high HP, high RPM engines. If you looked at the zinc/phos levels alone, like so many folks do, you’d think this oil should only be used in granny’s late model grocery getter.

This is something that the Royal Purple folks have said all along as well. Because their proprietary “Synerlec” additive is their primary extreme pressure additive, and their zinc/phos levels are only icing on the cake and do not need to be as high as it does with other oils.

The only way to really know how oils compare to each other with regard to preventing metal to metal contact, is to perform lab testing (quickest and most controlled method, particularly when testing a large number of oils) or real world on the road or on the track testing (time consuming, not well controlled, and perhaps impractical if a lot of oils are involved). This way you can test the whole additive package along with its base oil, to see how the overall product actually works. Simply looking at an oil lab test printout, is not enough information to always give you the right answer.

It’s the same thing with a new engine. You don’t just look at its build sheet to really see how well it will perform. You test it on the dyno and/or on the track (or road), to see the real deal.

So, with all that in mind, I’ve ordered an oil wear tester. And in the coming months, I’ll be performing impartial testing of all the oils on this list, and maybe a few others, to see how they rank against each other. I don’t really care which one wins or how they rank. I just want to “KNOW” which one wins and how they rank, so that I can make a better informed decision as to which oil I want to run in my own motors. I have no problem switching brands if the test results show the need to do so. Once I put all that data together, I’ll post the results for anyone interested in seeing it.



Joe Gibbs 10W30 HR-4 Hot Rod Oil (lab tested 2011)
Silicon = 4 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number)
Boron = 6 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Magnesium = 164 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Calcium = 2964 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Barium = 0 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 3134 ppm
Zinc = 1247 ppm (anti-wear)
Phos = 1137 ppm (anti-wear)
Moly = 24 ppm (anti-wear)
Total anti-wear = 2408 ppm
Potassium = <5 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Sodium = 2 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
TBN = 9.4 (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates)
Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 11.6 (cSt range for SAE 30 is 9.3 to 12.4) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness.


Royal Purple 5W30 XPR (Extreme Performance Racing) (lab tested 2008)
Silicon = 4 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number)
Boron = 1 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Magnesium = 10 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Calcium = 3039 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Barium = 0 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 3050 ppm
Zinc = 1421 ppm (anti-wear)
Phos = 1338 ppm (anti-wear)
Moly = 204 ppm (anti-wear)
Total anti-wear = 2963 ppm, plus their proprietary Synerlec extreme pressure additive that does not show up on basic lab tests
Potassium = 0 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Sodium = 0 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
TBN = 10.9 (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates)
Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 11.6 (cSt range for SAE 30 is 9.3 to 12.4) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness.
Note: This RP XPR oil info has been posted previously, but it is included here for comparison purposes.


Royal Purple 10W30 HPS (High Performance Street) (lab tested 2011)
Silicon = 7 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number)
Boron = <5 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Magnesium = 46 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Calcium = 3626 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Barium = <1 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 3676 ppm
Zinc = 1774 ppm (anti-wear)
Phos = 1347 ppm (anti-wear)
Moly = 189 ppm (anti-wear)
Total anti-wear = 3310 ppm, plus their proprietary Synerlec extreme pressure additive that does not show up in basic lab tests
Potassium = 11 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Sodium = 2 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
TBN = 10.2 (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates)
Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 11.3 (cSt range for SAE 30 is 9.3 to 12.4) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness.
Note: This RP HPS oil info has been posted previously, but it is included here for comparison purposes.


Valvoline NSL (Not Street Legal) 10W30 conventional Racing Oil (lab tested 2011)
Silicon = 6 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number)
Boron = <5 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Magnesium = 5 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Calcium = 1607 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Barium = 2 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 1618 ppm
Zinc = 1669 ppm (anti-wear)
Phos = 1518 ppm (anti-wear)
Moly = 784 ppm (anti-wear)
Total anti-wear = 3971 ppm
Potassium = 7 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Sodium = 190 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Tin = 13 ppm (from bearings, bronze parts and piston coatings, but this is brand new oil……..)
TBN = 4.4**** (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates)
Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 9.8 (cSt range for SAE 30 is 9.3 to 12.4) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness.

****NOTE: The very low TBN value in this NSL oil would require increased oil change frequency, to avoid acid build-up. And Valvoline has said that their NSL oils should be changed at least every 500 miles.

Valvoline VR1 10W30 Racing Oil (Silver Bottle, lab tested 2011)
This one does NOT have the API symbol, but its text says it exceeds API SM
Silicon = 10 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number)
Boron = <5 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Magnesium = 73 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Calcium = 2707 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Barium = 3 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 2787 ppm
Zinc = 1472 ppm (anti-wear)
Phos = 1544 ppm (anti-wear)
Moly = 3 ppm (anti-wear)
Total anti-wear = 3019 ppm
Potassium = 6 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Sodium = 380 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
TBN = 7.6 (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates)
Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 11.0 (cSt range for SAE 30 is 9.3 to 12.4) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness.


Valvoline VR1 10W30 “SYNTHETIC” Racing Oil API SL (Black Bottle, lab tested 2011)
Silicon = 8 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number)
Boron = <5 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Magnesium = 15 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Calcium = 2664 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Barium = 0 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 2683 ppm
Zinc = 1180 ppm (anti-wear)
Phos = 1112 ppm (anti-wear)
Moly = 162 ppm (anti-wear)
Total anti-wear = 2454 ppm
Potassium = 5 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Sodium = 195 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
TBN = 7.4 (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates)
Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 10.4 (cSt range for SAE 30 is 9.3 to 12.4) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness.


Brad Penn 10W30 Penn Grade 1 High Performance Oil ( lab tested 2011)
This oil is from Bradford, Pennsylvania, thus the name Brad Penn.
Silicon = 9 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number)
Boron = <5 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Magnesium = 646 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Calcium = 2518 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Barium = 5 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 3173 ppm
Zinc = 1557 ppm (anti-wear)
Phos = 1651 ppm (anti-wear)
Moly = 3 ppm (anti-wear)
Total anti-wear = 3211 ppm
Potassium = 5 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Sodium = 450 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
TBN = 8.7 (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates)
Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 10.3 (cSt range for SAE 30 is 9.3 to 12.4) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness.


Brad Penn 0W30 Penn Grade 1 High Performance Oil ( lab tested 2011)
This oil is from Bradford, Pennsylvania, thus the name Brad Penn.
Silicon = 6 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number)
Boron = <5 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Magnesium = 13 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Calcium = 2922 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Barium = 0 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 2939 ppm
Zinc = 1621 ppm (anti-wear)
Phos = 1437 ppm (anti-wear)
Moly = 0 ppm (anti-wear)
Total anti-wear = 3058 ppm
Potassium = <5 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Sodium = 2 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
TBN = 8.7 (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates)
Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 10.5 (cSt range for SAE 30 is 9.3 to 12.4) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness.

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The High Performance and Racing Oils on this list that have acceptable levels of all that is needed, and are suitable for High HP Street Hotrods and Street/Strip cars, as well as many dedicated race cars (including flat tappets and bronze dist gears) are:

Joe Gibbs Hot Rod Oil
Royal Purple XPR (Extreme Performance Racing)
Royal Purple HPS (High Performance Street)
Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil (Silver Bottle)
Valvoline VR1 “SYNTHETIC” Racing Oil API SL (Black Bottle)
Brad Penn, Penn Grade 1, High Performance Oil

NOTE: Joe Gibbs oil can be ordered directly from JoeGibbsDriven.com or Amazon.com
These Royal Purple oils can be ordered from Summit or Jegs
These Valvoline oils can be found with limits at some regular Auto Parts Stores, or can be ordered from Jegs, but NOT Summit, as I recall
The Brad Penn oil can be ordered from Amazon.com or from Summit as Howards Cam’s Brad Penn oil
And there are a variety of local shops, etc that carry some of these oils as well

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Detailed info of Mainstream Oil:

Mobil 1 5W30 API SN (lab tested 2011)
Silicon = 8 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number)
Boron = 87 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Magnesium = 603 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Calcium = 799 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Barium = 0 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 1489 ppm
Zinc = 801 ppm (anti-wear)
Phos = 842 ppm (anti-wear)
Moly = 112 ppm (anti-wear)
Total anti-wear = 1755 ppm
Potassium = <5 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Sodium = 6 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
TBN = 7.5 (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates)
Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 11.5 (cSt range for SAE 30 is 9.3 to 12.4) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness.

Mobil 1 5W30 Extended Performance (15,000 miles) API SN (lab tested 2011)
Silicon = 5 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number)
Boron = 89 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Magnesium = 666 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Calcium = 942 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Barium = 0 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 1697 ppm
Zinc = 890 ppm (anti-wear)
Phos = 819 ppm (anti-wear)
Moly = 104 ppm (anti-wear)
Total anti-wear = 1813 ppm
Potassium = <5 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Sodium = 0 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
TBN = 7.9 (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates)
Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 10.5 (cSt range for SAE 30 is 9.3 to 12.4) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness.

The detergent, anti-wear and TBN components of this Extended Performance oil are either about average or below average for typical API SN oils (even though some of the components are a little higher than in its standard Mobil 1 counterpart). TBN eventually becomes depleted as miles accumulate on oil in service. That’s “one” of the primary reasons for changing oil in the first place, to replenish the exhausted additive package. And it’s not unusual to see TBN values drop by as much as 60% from the original value, in only 5,000 miles. And with this oil starting out with a fairly low TBN value to begin with, it would seem very unlikely it could ever go a whopping 15,000 miles without having the TBN totally depleted well before reaching that 15,000 mile mark. So, this extended mileage claim appears to be only an unsupported marketing gimmick.

But, for those interested in long drain intervals, I’d suggest sending in a sample of this oil and having it lab tested at about the half way mark of 7,500 miles to see how much, if any, TBN remains. But, of course motor oil is typically already dark, dirty, contaminated and in need of changing by 5,000 miles anyway.

Quaker State 5W30 Ultimate Durability API SN (lab tested 2011)
Silicon = 3 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number)
Boron = <5 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Magnesium = 10 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Calcium = 2831 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Barium = 0 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 2845 ppm
Zinc = 877 ppm (anti-wear)
Phos = 921 ppm (anti-wear)
Moly = 72 ppm (anti-wear)
Total anti-wear = 1870 ppm
Potassium = <5 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Sodium = 0 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
TBN = 7.9 (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates)
Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 10.5 (cSt range for SAE 30 is 9.3 to 12.4) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness
NOTE: This bottle’s plastic was so paper thin and flimsy, that just gripping the bottle with the cap off, squeezed oil up, out and all over the place. So, use extra care with this one.


Valvoline 5W30 SYNPower API SN ( lab tested 2011)
Silicon = 5 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number)
Boron = <5 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Magnesium = 19 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Calcium = 2605 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Barium = 0 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 2628 ppm
Zinc = 969 ppm (anti-wear)
Phos = 761 ppm (anti-wear)
Moly = 0 ppm (anti-wear)
Total anti-wear = 1730 ppm
Potassium = 11 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Sodium = 205 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
TBN = 7.1 (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates)
Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 10.5 (cSt range for SAE 30 is 9.3 to 12.4) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness.


Castrol 5W30 Edge w/ Titanium API SN (lab tested 2011)
Silicon = 4 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number)
Boron = 55 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Magnesium = 1176 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Calcium = 577 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Barium = 2 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 1810 ppm
Zinc = 818 ppm (anti-wear)
Phos = 883 ppm (anti-wear)
Moly = 90 ppm (anti-wear)
Titanium = 44 ppm (anti-wear)
Total anti-wear = 1835 ppm
Potassium = <5 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Sodium = 0 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
TBN = 10.1 (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates)
Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 10.6 (cSt range for SAE 30 is 9.3 to 12.4) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness.


Pennzoil 5W30 Ultra API SM (lab tested 2011)
Silicon = 3 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number)
Boron = 363 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Magnesium = 13 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Calcium = 3011 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Barium = 0 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 3387 ppm
Zinc = 806 ppm (anti-wear)
Phos = 812 ppm (anti-wear)
Moly = 66 ppm (anti-wear)
Total anti-wear = 1684 ppm
Potassium = <5 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Sodium = 0 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
TBN = 10.3 (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates)
Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 10.8 (cSt range for SAE 30 is 9.3 to 12.4) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness.


Royal Purple 5W30 API SN ( lab tested 2011)
Silicon = 3 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number)
Boron = <5 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Magnesium = 8 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Calcium = 2822 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Barium = 0 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 2834 ppm
Zinc = 942 ppm (anti-wear)
Phos = 817 ppm (anti-wear)
Moly = 0 ppm (anti-wear)
Total anti-wear = 1759 ppm
Potassium = 6 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Sodium = 424 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
TBN = 7.7 (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates)
Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 10.3 (cSt range for SAE 30 is 9.3 to 12.4) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness.


Royal Purple 5W20 API SN (lab tested 2011)
Silicon = 2 ppm (anti-foaming agent in new oil, but in used oil, certain gasket materials and dirt can also add to this number)
Boron = <5 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Magnesium = 9 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Calcium = 2862 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Barium = 0 ppm (detergent/dispersant, anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge)
Total detergent/dispersant (anti-deposit buildup/anti-sludge) = 2875 ppm
Zinc = 964 ppm (anti-wear)
Phos = 892 ppm (anti-wear)
Moly = 0 ppm (anti-wear)
Total anti-wear = 1856 ppm, plus their proprietary Synerlec extreme pressure additive that does not show up in basic lab tests
Potassium = <5 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
Sodium = 267 ppm (anti-freeze inhibitor)
TBN = 7.7 (Total Base Number is an acid neutralizer to prevent corrosion. Most gasoline engine motor oils start with TBN around 8 or 9. And in use, this becomes depleted over time as mileage accumulates)
Viscosity (cSt at 100*C) = 8.7 (cSt range for SAE 20 is 5.6 to 9.2) And cSt (centistokes) in general terms, represents an oil’s thickness.

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