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Be careful what you wish for . On another thread on here, I outlined some of the possible proposals for legislation that could hit us shortly. Part of that legislation was to limit historic registered vehicles to a limited mileage per year, being 1500 km's (932 miles). Another was that, as in Germany, historic vehicles have to notify the "powers that be" in advance of any journeys they may undertake.

Take a good look around this website for more information of things that could affect us.

http://www.the-ace.org.uk/links-to-exis ... advla.html

Here's a link to the thread mentioned above

http://www.classiccamaroclubuk.com/phpB ... tion#p8061

cheers...Nige

ps don't shoot the messenger.

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Too much power...not enough hands!!

I would love to see them try and enforce that.

There are a load of demo rides later in the year about the proposed anti-tampering regs for bikes.

The classic/custom car and bike industries are massive in many countries within the EU and the proposals are not widely backed within the EU its just a small minority wanting to bring them in.

I can't see anyone willingly forcing certain cars/bikes off the road.

The UK still retains is own set of C&U regulations for all types of vehicles and still allows home built cars to be registered through SVA/IVA. There have been some interesting discussions on the custom bike boards as well.


Again I will say that these are just proposals by a small minority and are not widely backed within any of the EU member states.

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Its also worth pointing out that any structurally modified car now has to legally go through an IVA test. That means any structural changes to body/frame from original and that has been in force since about 2001. Bolt on stuff doesn't matter, so you can change suspension etc without it falling foul of the legislation, but if you chop the roof or chassis then it should go for a test. I don't see this changing any time soon as the system works well. We (the UK) are the only EU member state that has this system in place. Everywhere else its not possible to legally register a car with these mods.

If you have got a modified historic vehicle then it may affect you already but you may be unaware of it.

This isn't to say that I agree with the proposals though. If you want historic vehicle status then you should be able to get it whether your car is a factory original or modified.

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My '80 progress thread - hugger orange! Now with LQ9 power - forged pistons, LS2 rods, 236/242, .621/.612, flowed and milled 317 heads. MS3X

4L80e, 12 bolt, 4.11, Moroso brute strength posi, steel shafts.

Subframe connectors, g-braces, solid body bushes, carbon hood and front bumper, custom door cards, Autometer gauges.

Unfortunately, it seems as if you've not read through all of the threads/links to understand exactly what's happening, as there's a lot of stuff to read & divulge. At the moment, it's almost impossible to modify any cars in the EU. The EU therefore want US to fall in line with them as like it or hate it, we're part of the EU. Admittedly we have BIVA (SVA no longer exists). The downside of BIVA, from our point of view, is that no American car can pass it as the glass doesn't not meet the EU standard. Cut into the monocoque or exceed the limited 8 points allowable, & if you're unfortunate enough to get caught by VOSA or the DVLA the car would go straight for a BIVA test, one which it can't pass due to non compliant glass.

You say, QUOTE;- "Bolt on stuff doesn't matter, so you can change suspension etc without it falling foul of the legislation". This unfortunately is not true as every vehicle is now governed by an 8 point build system.

The basic 8 point system is made up of the following criteraia, this affects ALL cars, not just historic registered ones.

Chassis /monococque 5 points, original steering assembly/suspension 2 points, engine 1 point, transmission 2 points, giving you a total of 10 points which is acceptable. Modify the chassis/cut into the floor or bulkhead & you'd lose 5 points straight off & have to head for a BIVA test. So any structural modification to the shell will make the car illegal & have to undergo a BIVA test.

So, as you can see, it's not that they won't enforce the law as it's already in place, it's just a matter of when they enforce it. As was written in the one thread link above, the Landrover boys have already been picked up on this & have had vehicles impounded. Closer to home a few months ago, VOSA turned up just outside Santa Pod Raceway & pulled in random vehicles for checks.

Unfortunately far too many people think it'll never happen & want to bury their heads in the sand, that's their choice obviously, but each to their own.

As far as I'm concerend I'm pretty much done with replying to this thread as it's all been pretty much covered in the links posted above & I really can't be arsed to get involved in any heated arguements over it, been there done that & I was only relaying the information to advise others.

Again I say, don't shoot the messenger, but read through ALL of the stuff to be aware of what COULD happen to us if caught.

cheers...Nige

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Too much power...not enough hands!!

I have read most of the thread on Rods and Sods but not all of it as I haven't had chance yet but it seems to make the same points over and over again.

And I also agree with what you are saying.

I know its impossible to modify cars in many EU states hence why the guys building kit cars ship them here to get them registered and then import them back again to get around the rules. I have been through SVA (pre IVA) with my kit car a few years ago so understand the points system and also understand the SVA/IVA system quite well, certainly more so than those people who have never been through it.

At present I don't believe there is any discussion to change the IVA/SVA system as it stands within the UK. Certainly no talk of it changing for bikes and kit cars. My understanding was the whole issue revolved around the definition of a historic vehicle. The IVA already requires that chassis/monocoque modifications require a test, and always has done since it's introduction which you seem to have said as well. So there are probably a lot of rods floating around that should have been tested already, if they had been built with passing the test in mind then there would be no issues. For most people whose modifications stop at changing the engine and transmission in a rod will not require any tests at all.

I understand the issue about glass and I can see why there is resistance to the wider set of rules they are trying to bring in, the kit car industry was the same when SVA was introduced.

My understanding is the whole issue surrounds the definition of what an historic vehicle is and people are worried about their heavily modified 34 Ford no longer being historic. If many of the heavily modified rods had been for an IVA/SVA as they should have been then they would no longer technically be an historic vehicle anyway, which is probably why so many people don't take them when they should.

I am no good at making my point on internet forums, I am not agreeing with the proposals. It would be nice to have some more clarification on what the proposals actually are as most of the threads you linked to stopped running in May this year. The same happened when the SVA was introduced, lots of scaremongering about you will never be able to build or modify your own cars any more. The industry made a lot of noise about it and it was toned down. We need to do the same again to stop anything changing.

Like I said I don't make my point very well on the forums, so I will stop now.

Quite a lot of discussion on this topic on a lot of motoring forums as well. Just ab quick google turns up loads.

Quote from here: http://alpine.forumup.com/post-4909-alpine.html I would actively oppose any regulations limiting the use of any vehicles for whatever reason as they play too much of a part in my life, but there are a lot of things being bandied about as fact both by forums and ACE without any real clarity.

Have a read of this
http://www.theminiforum.co.uk/forums/in ... pic=188688

ACE are replying but giving very vague answers to direct questions.

I think the situation needs some clarification as the chatter on forums is causing confusion and arguments that shouldnt be happening.

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My '80 progress thread - hugger orange! Now with LQ9 power - forged pistons, LS2 rods, 236/242, .621/.612, flowed and milled 317 heads. MS3X

4L80e, 12 bolt, 4.11, Moroso brute strength posi, steel shafts.

Subframe connectors, g-braces, solid body bushes, carbon hood and front bumper, custom door cards, Autometer gauges.