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PostPosted:Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:23 pm 
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Is this the end of car modifying??

I thought I'd give some links for you guys to understand what's happening regarding modifying your car & how it could become illegal to drive your modified Camaro, or any other car for that matter.

There's a thread running on the "rods n sods" forum with a lot of info on this. Take the time to read the whole thing as it explains all of the problems that are likely to be faced re modified cars. Things like changing your suspension, axle & engine, cutting into the monocoque, tubbing it, modifying the chassis, etc etc could make your car illegal if the legislation comes into play in 2012. Here's the link

http://www.rodsnsods.co.uk/forum/top...away-now-27029

Also a lot of American tyres are likely to be banned & there's apparently a shortage now. Here's a link which starts to explain the tyre problem at posts number 15 & 21, although the thread is regarding the laws that are going to change regarding towing a trailer, which may require you to take a seperate test:-

http://www.rodsnsods.co.uk/forum/top...-vehicle-29500

The Mopar boys are aware of this also, here's a link to their forum ragarding this topic:-

http://www.moparuk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=34366Some

Sorry for the doom & gloom, but this isn't going to go away. If you're looking to change or modify anything on your car, you need to be aware of the implications of how they will be affected by the law.

cheers...Nige

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PostPosted:Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:47 pm 
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sadly its the same for the 4x4 scene aswell, bigger tyres better suspension winches ect all will be classed as modified its all crap

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PostPosted:Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:23 am 
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PostPosted:Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:48 pm 
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I think they will struggly with this one. While i partyl agree IF it was a safety thing... note everyone knows what they're doing so you can't ensure thats mods are done safely... manufacturers do a hell of a lot of crash tests these days and all the little things they do on the body / suspension etc do help so it can be seen as making it unsafer to undo this. However, the cars we have in this forum and the majority of cars that get modified are done to improve things... e.g a brake upgrade from drums to discs can only be a good thing (if done professionally of course). I remember when my jeep had no master servo and nearly went into the back of a beemer as i didnt see the traffic stopped ahead because of a hump bridge. After being quite shaken up installed a master servo and the brakes were a lot better and made me more comfortable driving. I think a lot of mods help, an out there example is if you were to fit an airbag to your car, that's a mod but surely more safe now. I think the list can go for performance parts (thinking of handling, suspension, braking etc) that enhance the safety of your car and passengers. i wonder what everyone else thinks? Also on the note of defining a mod, putting vinyl stripes on your car is a mod so would that count? how would you define a stripe vs. decals etc. What if you changed gearknob or even more anal, the stereo so that you can listen to your ipod? playing devils advocate here so over to you guys!

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PostPosted:Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:12 pm 
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I think they will struggly with this one. While i partyl agree IF it was a safety thing... note everyone knows what they're doing so you can't ensure thats mods are done safely... manufacturers do a hell of a lot of crash tests these days and all the little things they do on the body / suspension etc do help so it can be seen as making it unsafer to undo this. However, the cars we have in this forum and the majority of cars that get modified are done to improve things... e.g a brake upgrade from drums to discs can only be a good thing (if done professionally of course). I remember when my jeep had no master servo and nearly went into the back of a beemer as i didnt see the traffic stopped ahead because of a hump bridge. After being quite shaken up installed a master servo and the brakes were a lot better and made me more comfortable driving. I think a lot of mods help, an out there example is if you were to fit an airbag to your car, that's a mod but surely more safe now. I think the list can go for performance parts (thinking of handling, suspension, braking etc) that enhance the safety of your car and passengers. i wonder what everyone else thinks? Also on the note of defining a mod, putting vinyl stripes on your car is a mod so would that count? how would you define a stripe vs. decals etc. What if you changed gearknob or even more anal, the stereo so that you can listen to your ipod? playing devils advocate here so over to you guys!
Unfortunately there'a law already in existence that now prohibits any major structural changes to a car. It's based on an 8 point system, with your car having to score a minimum of 8 points to comply with legality.

Scoring components

The following values will be allocated to the major components used:

* chassis or body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque ie direct replacement from the manufacturer) (original or new) = 5 points
* suspension = 2 points
* axles = 2 points
* transmission = 2 points
* steering assembly = 2 points
* engine = 1 point

If you cut into the monocoque of the shell, lets say to put in bigger wheeltubs, your car can be deemed to be illegal, as it wouldn't allow the 8 points to be made, losing 5 for modifying the monocoque. Also if someone modifies the structure of the car in any way it would also fall foul of the 8 point system. Cut into a bulkhead to fit a bigger engine?? deemed to be illegal !!

As you can see the bodyshell carries the most points, but if you change a combination of parts & you can't reach a total of 8 points from the original car, your car becomes illegal. ALL illegal cars would have to go for a BIVA test. Unfortunately, at the moment, no American car can pass BIVA because the glass doesn't meet the EU specification.

Not looking good for those that have tubbed, 3 linked, changed axles, suspension & engines etc is it?? :( :(

cheers...Nige

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PostPosted:Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:47 pm 
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wow, what a painful system. If there is no way around it i would at least hope that they only enforced it on new builds... kind of like an amnesty to at least give some people a break. awful though. i would LOVE to see their justifications. the amount of piled up american cars i see on the road with bad consequences due those mods is too much to count... wait, wait, no it's not. i've never seen one. awful system.

So if you put subframe connectors on, would this deduct points from this "well thought out" system?

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PostPosted:Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:44 pm 
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wow, what a painful system. If there is no way around it i would at least hope that they only enforced it on new builds... kind of like an amnesty to at least give some people a break. awful though. i would LOVE to see their justifications. the amount of piled up american cars i see on the road with bad consequences due those mods is too much to count... wait, wait, no it's not. i've never seen one. awful system.

So if you put subframe connectors on, would this deduct points from this "well thought out" system?
If you cut into the floor to fit them then yes, you'd lose 5 points from the required 8. Unfortunately, the only amnesty to this is if it can be proven that the mods were carried out prior to, I think, 1998. Up to that point the law can be retrospective

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PostPosted:Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:02 pm 
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Oh bugger, I think I'm 7 points already, and haven't touched the body..!

Gonna be like France soon, where only mods can be factory fitted options.

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